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Explainer
2005-11-27 13:07:20 UTC
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Joe Rat
2005-11-27 13:37:07 UTC
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The same fraud under another text.

Joe Rat
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a***@care2.com
2005-11-29 02:36:58 UTC
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Yep, skunks smell the same no matter how much they disguise themselves.
v***@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com
2005-12-27 22:28:22 UTC
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Y'know what's funny, in the 1920s Ivy League universities had
"correspondence" degrees.

I believe this will all go away if we go to test-based.

I mean what better way to equalise the poor with the rich? You
already have specialised (3d part) GREs for many major undergrad
disciplines (eco, psy, chem, bio, math, engr, lit) - just extend the
scores from 800-max to 2000-max. Make the 2000-max the doctoral
qualifying exam. I had a 1976 chem teacher who had to take the
chem-GRE to graduate from Brooklyn college, which was then the top
CUNY school (Harvard of the poor) in the 1960s.

Right now academics behave like they have a right of entitlement.

Academics and Doctors get away with inflation unseen elsewhere.

Their feudalistic systems must be torn down.



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Little Arminius
2005-12-28 15:42:13 UTC
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This is a goddam disgrace. "Dr. Fairman" is lower than dogshit and the
only way to get lower would be to pay for his services. This type of
scam conjurs up images of two distinct types found in the
nontraditional educational community: 1) Chip and the "posse" over at
DegreeMisinfo and 2) John Dovelos of, well, uummm, ... some really
questionable "academic institutions."
a***@care2.com
2005-12-29 01:20:02 UTC
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What happens if the work is done very poorly and the grade is terrible?
will the good professor return the money? I doubt it. The porfessor
should go to misinfo, they understand the concept of $$$$$.
v***@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com
2005-12-29 21:24:58 UTC
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But this type of corruption takes
place with in-class courses, too.

Actually, there your grade depends on
how much of a grant-generating
grad-student slave you want to be

That's why we need standardised testing.

Standarised test results are more robust.

I've seen Ivy league grad engineering courses
where the professor gives mixed-matched old exams
and the old exams are available on the black market.

Read William James "PhD Octopus" for more insight


In <***@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> by
agustus-***@care2.com on 28 Dec 2005 17:20:02 -0800 we perused:
*+-What happens if the work is done very poorly and the grade is terrible?
*+-will the good professor return the money? I doubt it. The porfessor
*+-should go to misinfo, they understand the concept of $$$$$.
v***@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com
2006-01-07 19:10:56 UTC
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The most important thing to realise about degree mills is it
doesn't depend on the method of delivery. In any big city, a quarter
of the oldest universities are degree mills. But you know what, when
the job really depends on the degree, the employer assignes a degree
to the degree and only hires from the degrees that matter. The reason
you get degree mills is whe some stupid bureaucracy deems it necessary
that you have that degree. If that degree mattered, you wouldn't get
the job because no one is going to hire someone who can't do the
job. If the deree is just window dressing deemed necessary by some
idiotic bureaucrats, that's where degree mills create value, however
superficial. Furthermore, worker retraining funds have offered yet
another excuse for useless degrees to proliferate. The fact is we
have too many people walking around with useless degrees even if you
only count brick and mortar schools. What we need is to replace
degrees with testing. Testing is the great equaliser because it
totally frees up the delivery end to competiton by standardising the
results. When you get grant-hugger Ivy engineering grad-course
professors giving mix-matched old exams for which there is a black
market, then you know standardised tests are the only way to ensure a
quality product.



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v***@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com
2005-12-29 21:26:15 UTC
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Graduate programs look down at students who don't take a hairshirt
approach and then encourage these students to protest every little government
cut. Recently, academicians were heard thumbing their noses at venture
capitalists, arguing they would no longer need them because federal funding
was planned to drastically increase. At the same time, universities resist
any commercial discipline in their work habits precisely because if these
students got wif of how much their professors were making from consulting and
licensing, they would rebel. This is why universities want systems based on
grants, licensing and consulting and not on venturing and collaboration - as
someone in the 1970s once said about India "It's not that capitalism doesn't
exist, but you have to buy capitalism, which you can't do if you are poor."

A culture of paranoia predominates in the post-Manhattan-Project
scientific world where no researcher shares even the slightest data or
information with his colleagues or institution. A student would learn more
from working in an identical project in industry than for a professor or by
taking a course in the subject - because faculty are so paranoid and
possessive about their knowledge. Ultimately, the grubmint deserves
responsibility because its system of grants helped create this racketeering
monstrosity. And this is the incubator which keeps leftism festering even as
communism throughout the world has collapsed.

For example, every so often the NSF and its cousins announce that we
are in a dangerous shortage of PhDs and the spigot of graduate students
reopens to slave in the labs only to be dropped at will for not groveling
sufficiently. Do we forget the adminitions of James' "PhD Octopus"?
Moreover, professors detest American-born graduate students because American
students actually expect professors to answer their questions and
curiosities, while foreign students behave like frightened rabbits, who laugh
at "Americans". The result is that American students feel an inferiority
about being American and become transformed into lifelong America-haters. And
a lot of funding programs have been designed to obtain results which conform
to the same ideology which propogates such grants - for example, one
researcher questioning global warming was told that without the resultant
alarmism, grants in that field would not be forthcoming. And universities
themselves extract substantial fees for each grant, often using the results
of such fees for lobbying. Lobbyists have even extracted fees for getting
SBIR grants, but have requested payment be concealed by listing the lobbyists
as executives in the resulting venture. (Meanwhile,SBIR grants aren't awarded
by any business criteria, only by the usual inbred clique of scientists.)

Isn't it ironic that a university whose faculty berate American
industry for short-termism demand annualised returns from its miniscule
endowed internal venture fund and yet this same university is one of the
nation's leading receipients of licensing revenues. Isn't it ironic that the
universities who do the very best in the nation with regards to licencing
revenes (but maintain Vietnam-era bans on faculty "commercialism") are the
same universities whose presidents resigned nearly a decade ago due to
federal grant irregularities? (Furthermore, disciplines such as medicine are
overly populated and biased by those who chose them to avoid combat or
because they found military research distasteful.) What is especially
pernicious about these grants addicts is that they turn to international
agencies and eventually foreign governments, rather than private industry, to
support their habit.

The solution would be to follow 1987 Reagan proposals for privatising
the NIH and combine them with the blueprints for the Bobby Inman Sematech
research consortium and have privatised formerly-government foundations
become research consortia that allows firms to collaborate in funding
research and buying results. Moreover, grants should become increasingly
conditional on matching private funding. For example, a professor just hired
might be able to get all his funding from the government, but there should be
a graduated scale requiring the professor to obtain two thirds of funding
from private sources by the time tenure is attained and almost all funding
privately by the time full professorship is attained. And we might also look
to the way the Whitaker foundation has funded bioengineering programs around
the country, by providing matching grants with highly incentivised criteria -
which has shown that incentives do work wonders even in academia.
a***@care2.com
2005-12-29 01:24:49 UTC
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That's pretty low, but I must agree. A man who would do this would
reside at DI and pay for coffee enemas, instant coffee that is.
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